Meet the Mob
BY: WC WINDBAG
Krugman and all the lefties are running scared and trying to defend the indefensible health care policies of President Obama. Sending union thugs to beat up conservative African Americans is only the first step. Yes, all these well dressed thugs are astro-turf… bought off by those-who-control-shows.
Yes, the image of Boxer putting her hand up towards an angry mob and muttering the words “Ronald Reagan”… and she shall calm the mobs and all is good.
Still, the following is a pretty good post from the Dana Show… aka Dana Loesch. It shows the real face of this mob that Barbara Boxer, Robert Gibbs, and the Democratic machine keep trying to sell us. Enjoy!
You’ve heard a lot about this crazy, scary, vicious mob on some shadowy GOP payroll. By the way the DNC, Rachel Maddow, and President Obama talk, you’d think it was a motley crue of Hell’s Angels.
Let me introduce you to the mob:
I am the mob. My kids are the mob. My grandma is the mob. My family members did not shed blood for this country so that their elected officials could silence them into shame if they dared to speak out and voice their concerns.
Are you the mob?
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I’m a member of the Mob. Didn’t realize it until last week..who knew.
What a great illustration. Dana Loesch is an up and comer on the conservative scene. Fortunately, she makes her home in St. Louis so I get to read and listen to her comments every week! (MWF 7am-9am & Sun 8pm-10pm @ 97.1FM – http://www.971talk.com).
I had a back and forth on Facebook with one of my very liberal friends about this very subject. He is convinced that this is a right wing conspiracy and all those at the top of the GOP are bankrolling the dissenters at the town hall meetings even though the evidence is to the contrary. (I’m STILL waiting on my check!)
When pressed on the union thug thing, he is silent on the matter deflecting attention to another topic (really it wasn’t much more than a string of profanities.) The citizens see what is happening (and a growing number of typical democratic voter older americans!)
Can’t wait for 2010.
They are too well dressed IMHO. The Brooks Brothers, Sax Fifth Avenue Brigades. Off with their heads!!!
It’s funny we hear Republicans say that they do not want “faceless bureaucrats” making medical decisions but they have no problem with “private sector” “faceless bureaucrats” daily declining medical coverage and financially ruining good hard working people. And who says that the “private sector” is always right, do we forget failures like Long-Term Capital, WorldCom, Global Crossing, Enron, Tyco, AIG and Lehman Brothers. Of course the federal government will destroy heathcare by getting involved, Oh but wait, Medicare and Medicaid and our military men and women and the Senate and Congress get the best heathcare in the world, and oh, that’s right, its run by our federal government. I can understand why some may think that the federal government will fail, if you look at the past eight years as a current history, with failures like the financial meltdown and Katrina but the facts is they can and if we support them they will succeed.
How does shouting down to stop the conversation of the healthcare debate at town hall meetings, endears them to anyone. Especially when the organizations that are telling them where to go and what to do and say are Republicans political operatives, not real grassroots. How does shouting someone down or chasing them out like a lynch mob advanced the debate, it does not. So I think the American people will see through all of this and know, like the teabagger, the birthers, these lynch mobs types are just the same, people who have to resort to these tactics because they have no leadership to articulate what they real want. It’s easy to pickup a bus load of people who hate, and that’s all I been seeing, they hate and can’t debate. Too bad.
Paul, first… thanks for commenting on our site. We appreciate opposing points of view even if we feel they are wrong. That said, I will address much of what you wrote below.
I would completely disagree with this statement. The private sector is generally a profit oriented bunch that need to earn and retain their customer base. The federal government has a captured audience… and leaves no option. If they do “compete”, they have the power to under price and outbid competitors, and if they fail, they do NOT go out of business. Instead, they raise taxes or run deficits which will have to be paid back later. Federal Government has, in other words, no incentive to use our money wisely. It is easy to demonstrate the bureaucracy inherit in the system: unwise procurement, uninvestigated fraud, monopolistic behavior… On the other hand, a private business needs to keep costs down while offering a product customers will buy. We can see what happened to Enron when they screw up… it went out of business. Companies that stick around, like GM or AIG do so because the Feds bail them out. The Feds failures go unpunished and continue forever.
The financial meltdown had significant private sector casualties as a result. The ones that survived were propped up by the government. Not wise. Katrina was a failure of government at all levels, but also of individuals not taking proper responsibility for themselves. There is no proof that if we support the government that it will succeed. That is just an open invitation to screw up (see Stimulus).
Actually, I would say the majority of those citizens are participating in a way a democracy is supposed to work. They go to the meetings, they listened to the speakers, and then they asked questions and responded verbally to what they thought was false or against their interests. In the rare cases where someone got out of hand, they were removed from the building or location by security or police. And, unlike what you wrote, I see these protesters being more in tune with what the people of America are thinking than what is going on in committee rooms in DC.
So what is happening… is Fox News busing people in? Big Oil? Big Insurance? Which Teflon group is doing the dirty work? This is desperate spin you are repeating from the DNC. When you lose on the message, criticize the messengers. These people are what they are. There might have been a call-for-arms from this group or that, but you are giving the GOP too much credit if you believe that this is an ACORN-like job. Righties do not know how to organize as well as Lefties. We never have. This is the true definition of grassroots, not like the Chicago pols who go door to door to drag voters to the polls using bribery and promises of sweetheart deals. That is the Chicago Way.
I’ve seen a whole lot of these townhall “lynch mobs” that you are talking about, and although there is disrupting of the speaker by angry voters, there is no chasing them down or breaking of windows and glass. That is reserved for Code Pink and other groups who show up uninvited to places (Townhalls are open to the public and the voters).
Whoa… that is a loaded, and extremely closed minded statement. Teabagging, first, is a repulsive sexual term that does nothing to advance your point. TEA (Taxed Enough Already) Parties held across the country this year have been so orderly, that I do not see how you can even put lynch mob in the same sentence. Likewise, Birthers are conspiracy nuts (see this link) more in line with JFK Magic Bullet nuts, Truther nuts, Iraq Conspiracy nuts, and Clinton Mafioso nuts. Those people believe that the US is driving to a one world government, trans-American highway, and the “neo-cons” are out to make Israel our master. Also, saving that these people “hate” is so off-base, it is unbelievable. These people care so much about their country and their individual liberty, they actually went out of their way to participate as the Founders envisioned. The only thing that makes sense in that sentence is that these people have no leadership. On that we can agree. True grassroots are not ACORN-like organized… they are a mixed-message, rag-tag gang of unwanted activists. I wish their message was cleaner and clearer, but it is not.
Why is it that when Bush was in office, it was the highest form of nobility to protest and question the government’s every move, but now that Obama is in office, individuals who disagree are called haters and dehumanized. None of these people are destroying property or harming people. So far, the only person I saw beat up was an African American conservative, who was called all sorts of racial names and kicked around by union thugs bused there by the Left.
With all that said, I hope you come back and comment again.
As a Tea Partier, and as stated before, I’m still waiting on my check from the GOP or whatever organization is supposedly paying the way.
The back and forth I mentioned in the comment above with my liberal friend sounded almost identical to Paul’s comment. My friend had a little more “colorful” language, but similar content none-the-less.
Sounds like Paul has the MSNBC and DNC talking points down.
Not so fast.
We all know that insurance companies – in the search to have ever increasing profits – drop people from care. Those on the right and the left need to stand up for what is right, and what is right in this case is to pass a law that bans rescission.
WCW was outright dismissive in his defense of corporations and profits and skirted the entire question of rescissive behavior.
As to protesters, WCW is balanced when he argues about left protesters during the Bush years. Fair enough.
WCW fails to address, and may not know about recessrally.com
Rachel Maddow exposes Republicans stoking “ObamaCare will kill GrandMa” campaign, including busing people across the country. See, http://www.videosift.com/video/Maddow-Exposes-Fake-Protesters-At-Health-Care-Town-Halls
Michelle Malkin is in part behind this nonsense.
To me, anyone who says “Obamacare” is equivalent to being a Birther. Any movement that can say Obama health care will kill grandma is equivalent to the birther nonsense.
Let’s face it, the Rs have gone off the deep end on this one. It’s time to get back to reality.
Mike, a few comments…
Mike, we talked about rescission at length on another post. You can not generalize on this subject when you know where I stand. You are also missing the exception vs. rule. Let’s face it, 99% or more of all health insurance transactions go smoothly and the great majority of people are satisfied with their health care. The difference between service, innovation, and satisfaction in Canada/Britain and the USA in right there in front of any single-payer advocate to see. No one says that the system is perfect. We just say that it does not need to be blown up.
I did not do anything of the kind. Rescission is NOT the rule. I also stated that private corporations that spend their clients money wiser will do a better job. That is not a defense of
corporationsprivate, for profit companies, it is a fact.I mentioned that there are some sites and individuals that tried to organize this, but you can see that it is not a clearly defined “Hopey Changy” protest. This isn’t because the corporate leadership could not brand the message well, it is because the idea of corporate backing of the protests is laughable. The “mob” is nothing more than individual conservatives and moderates our protesting the fact that they do not like where the health care debate is going. This is not the mandate that the Democrats were given. It is an obvious over reach and the American people are reacting.
Rachel Maddow? That is like saying that the Fox has proof that the horse raided the hen house. Laughable. Rachel Maddow can not be taken any more serious than Keith Olbermann or Janene Garofalo. They the “ack” in “hack”. Anything she put together can not be considered credible or serious. Please do not criticize Fox News in one response and try to raise Maddow to credibility in the next breath.
This is pure Rushism– the assignment of super human organization skills to one radio personality or blogger that would lead the lemmings of the world who would normally be home supporting health care to take to the streets and mob up. This is a little overblown. Malkin could get hundreds of people somewhere, and probably there to see her. The citizens at these event are there on their own accord.
A “Birther” a conspiracy nutter… which is someone who believes in an irrational theory despite the overwhelming evidence and common sense pointing to the more logical and likely facts. I spelled them out in the previous response to Paul. “Obamacare” is a label assigned to a bad health plan, and people who believe in the free market have plenty of economists, policy experts, and evidence to prove that a socialized medical program will lead to failure. There are so far from being parallels. I would never consider someone that has a fair disagreement on policy a nutter. Mike, has it really come to that? A good faith and fair policy disagreement on where we are going, and suddenly we are as bad as the Birthers?
So says you. The majority of America is on my side on this issue. It feels pretty sane to me.
It is a slippery slope that the Rush Limbaughs and other right wingnuts have unleashed by whipping the public with utterly made up scare tactics like
– “Obamacare” will kill your grandma
– There is a death panel that will decide who gets to live and die
– and on and on it goes
You have to admit that these wild ideas, utter fantasies, are indistinguishable from another wingnut fantasy, birthers.
HR3200 provides health care to everyone; provides portability of health care; removes denial of health care due to pre-existing conditions; and hopefully will remove rescission where ever it occurs.
HR3200 is not a single payer system and it is not socialized medicine.
You, and the other bloggers who blog here, are thoughtful. I respect that. My point wasn’t directed at you gents. It was directed at the frenzy.
But the frenzy has touched this blog in some ways. I’ll tell you what I see after these points on participatory democracy
– I value and encourage participatory democracy, even if it gets rowdy. Not everyone gets listened to unless they put a lot of emotion into it.
– Groups come, and groups have a right to come, to address their grievances.
– When those groups are organized by political organizations, we the public have the right to know who is funding these groups. It is a shadowy bunch that would have you believe it is all just well meaning Grandmas looking out for America.
– I have provided links, including Rachel Maddow, that links a lot of this movement to Republican party operatives. We’ll discuss Rachel M below.
This blog is masking the true nature of the frenzy. It wants to show that it is just “well meaning Americans” that are just participating in “serious debate” on health care choices. It literally supports the frenzy, either intentionally or perhaps unintentionally.
The world is full of excesses of the left and the right. You can have a right of center point of view without the excesses, and I would hope you gents would fall into this category.
Sometimes that means drawing a balance. Pointing out what is not true, what is just the frenzy, and refocusing on what is right for America.
Now about Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann, Janene Garofalo, Fox News and credibility. The single rule I follow on this is: have they said anything that is incorrect, particularly if it is pointedly partisan.
– You have to admit that the Rachel Maddow piece contains links that you just can’t deny. Case closed.
You just happen to believe that Fox News is pure and accurate and that the rest of the world is tilted. I take my news and analysis from everyone and dismiss the obvious lies and outright tilts.
I do not take everything left and right bloggers and TV commentators say at face value. I balance it by what is right. I want a 360 view of the world and what is going on.
We process news differently. To me it is not a single right/left dimension.
That said, I have found Fox News incredibly deceitful at times, significantly tilted, unsupportable in the way the omit or distort facts. I am not surprised that the right has become tilted in the same way.
I actually saw that report that Maddow did the other night. A rare occasion to view her show at best for me (I really don’t think she has that much talent – just my opinion).
Let’s say that there is some kind of semi-organized effort – just for the sake of argument. Regardless of what Rachel Maddow or her ilk at MSNBC and the left wing rags think about the majority of those attending these protests, these are genuine people really pissed off at the way their congressmen and women are handling the situation. No violence occurred until the “security force” initiated the problem.
Just to give some prospective, I’ll digress into the whole Tea Party Protest movement that started early this year. I can really only speak to the event in St. Louis, but similar things happened around the country. The event in St. Louis (in February) was loosely organized at best. They announced the event less than a week before the date on local radio and Facebook. They expected 150 people on the Arch grounds – there were anywhere between 700 and 1,000. The speakers were very hard to hear (bad PA) and it was biting cold on a weekday at 12 noon – but the people showed up without any prompting or cajoling (or some “organized” effort from ANY Republican group.)
The April 15th event was much better organized in a better location at night. Close to 10,000 people attended that event. Average citizens with hand written signs and a passion for being over-taxed. No politicians were allowed to speak.
Fast forward to present time – as far as organization from right wing groups – who really cares if some part of the effort is organized? The left wing radicals are much more organized than any conservative or Republican group could ever be – as referenced by Windbag in the earlier comment. There is obviously some type of recess organization to highlight the Town Hall meetings, but again, who really cares. As far as I’m concerned, they are Johnny-come-latelies (or maybe it’s about time they got on board). Where were they in February and April when the events were started and later gained momentum?
As far as groups running ads targeting the older generation – what’s so revolutionary about that? This has been going on for longer than I’ve been alive. Any time a Democrat is running for high office we’ll see ads scaring the senior citizen group.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwNCDEtpuqw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGvkZszS21Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgsN9nYv7AI
It took a ground-swell of activity to get the attention of high ranking Republicans (and conservatives). I’m glad they are noticing, but the idea that they are some how pulling the strings is a stretch.
We can disagree on the Health Care legislation, but speaking as someone who has attending two Tea Party Protests, this whole thing is really a non-issue in my book, but it is interesting.
ACM…
You skirted the entire issue by specifically not addressing the frenzy created by lies and distortions by the likes of Rush, Michelle, and so on…
To Rachel’s comments on groups that are organized to attend town halls in numbers, your response is way off topic ~ speaking about tea parties in April and July ~ not at all related to the current debate.
The original post by WCW was that this was all “well meaning citizens” acting in a participatory democracy and that DNC is somehow trying to stop them.
The truth is that they are revved up by lies and distortions brought on by the right wingnuts with a decent dose of Republican organization.
The right doesn’t owe America a serious debate on health care, or one on HR 3200. That was introduced by Obama and the democrats. It is an act of courage to put so much on the line.
So long as the right attacks HR3200 with distortions, I will see them, and anyone who supports those tactics in the same light as as birthers.
Mike,
The tea party comments were made to “give some perspective” as stated. It’s all related. This is where things started. Sorry you can’t see past the current protests.
Citizens wonder why there is a frenzied pace to get something done. Speeding things up will lead to countless mistakes and fraud. This will also give those in congress time to actually read the bill. When it has been admitted by members of congress that they have not read the bill or it takes several people to go through the legislation – this is what really upsets voters. I know, gasp, actually do their job! – I realize this is too much to ask of our elected officials.
My points were obviously lost on you, so I’ll make it simple.
1. Average concerned citizens asking questions (sometimes heated exchanges). How dare they ask questions of their politicians.
2. Affected congress people can’t answer questions – they haven’t read the bill or don’t care to.
3. Left wing people string a conspiracy stretching from Limbaugh to Malkin because their might be some type of semi-coordinated effort. By going to Recessrally.com there is very little to misinform – but I guess that depends on your perspective.
4. Even if there is an coordinated effort – who cares.
Regardless if you see this as a Public Health Insurance option or something different – it is a form of socialized medicine (much like Medicare and Medicaid). We can argue the validity of each option.
Again, you did not address the frenzy based on lies and distortions.
I would appreciate more focus on the facts and less on the talking down (like, “I’ll make it simple for you”). Another example might be: we’ll ACM if that’s the only way to put your point across, then by all means stoop low. It cuts both ways ACM, and I know you can take it since you dish it out.
You seem keen on pushing a single idea: well meaning Americans are raising up to discuss health care.
You are willing to ignore all facts that lead to this point: right wingnuts creating a frenzy in talk radio media, and organized opposition. To you it’s “who cares.” I would bet a lot of people would care. Americans have the right to know the truth, not just your tilted “who cares” view.
I think I explained myself in the comments. Sorry if I “Stooped low” in your eyes and made it too simplistic. If you were a new person to the site I might parse my words differently, but you are not. I know you can “take it” also.
There is a lot of misinformation out there and HR3200 is not in itself socialized medicine. It is a big spending initiative at a time when we can’t afford it and many top level Democrats including Obama himself have acknowledged in the past their desire for single-payer and this being a first step towards it. Conyers has proposed single payer in HR 676 so its out there.This is not made up and many just don’t want this. It is also being rushed for political reasons, which people don’t appreciate. For every foolish con ad there are foolish pro ads. I believe the ads, conservative radio talk show hosts and liberal T.V. personalities have little bearing on the protests and my latest post explains why.
ACM, you again evaded the frezy question. Apparently lies and distortions by right wingnut is fine with you.
NCV, thank you for your thoughtful reply.
It isn’t being rushed. Maybe back when Pelosi wanted a vote in July it was being rushed. I doubt the vote is scheduled for the date after Labor Day. Modifications are coming after the recess.
So you cannot use “rushed” as a point of debate any longer. Rushed has been fixed.
I agree with you that HR3200 is not socialized medicine. I would like to hear from you (and ACM, and all of the other bloggers on here) on the parts of HR3200 that you don’t like.
Sure, fraud controls could be added. They could also be added to a separate bill. In my opinion, Rs failed miserably to join in a coalition of center to pass a bill that both sides could love.
That’s what radical wingnuts have brought so far. No help at all.
Like I said before, I’ve answered your questions.
As far as being rushed, we’ll see what happens when congress begins after the recess. All the new Obama programs have been rushed as well as the Bush TARP bill.
I’m 1/4 the way through the bill, so I’ll comment when I’m done. I got very bored and decided to play with the kids instead. Much better use of my time.
No ACM, you have not answered the question.
There is nothing in your replies above that addresses the nut jobs that keep stating that some “Obama death panel will decide who lives and who dies.” The kind that Rush, now Palin, are all stoking the fires.
You’ve addressed that Tea Parties are poorly organized and that the people you saw and met were concerned citizens.
You and I can agree that there are many concerned citizens. You and I may agree that some of these citizens are revved up by right wingnuts on misinformation.
You have said nothing about Rush and others lying to America. Is that what you stand for?
Mike, I just believe that no one here accepts your premise that Rush and others are lying to America. In fact, we would believe they are telling the truth. One example based upon killing Granny. If you start rationing care, and giving her a pill instead of the treatment she gets today (as Obama suggested on TV), then you would be under serving them. That is not too far off base.
One example only. I am giving the kids a tub and do not have time for a manifesto.
Well put Windbag. I honestly don’t think that there are lies going around. You and I will disagree on that one.
I wonder if Soylent Green was just a hokey Heston movie from the 60’s or prophetic. I guess we’ll find out.
Sorry to intrude, but this is reality. There is absolutely nothing in HR 3200 that will make the government the sole provider of care and the sole decision maker on who lives and who dies. HR 3200 does not even have a health panel!
HR 3200 makes your health care portable and you can buy health care from a number of sources. Under that system it is impossible to “give grandma a pill.”
Ever hear of elections? Single payer, radical decisions are voted out.
Reality: not a single payer system.
Rush: they are killing grandma.
Reality: health insurance companies are dropping sick people.
Rush: everything is fine. 99% of people like it.
One of you gents recently posted that 99% of people are happy with their insurance. That is really misleading for the following reason
- 99% of insurance customers don’t make heavy demands on care. They get the standard package of care well within the projected statistical costs.
- of the 1% that go beyond expected costs, and ignoring fraud cases altogether, the remaining group has a 50% chance of being dropped — according to insurance company statistics.
- it needs to be about what is going on with that 0.5%.
- I would bet the happy 99% would scream if they knew just how insurance companies would treat them if they got real sick.
- and what makes you think you’ll be treated any better? Your insurance is just as likely to drop you as anyone else.
Mike, say what you want about health companies, but I know what ours paid for when someone in my immediate family needed coverage, and I can tell you that they will NEVER earn that money back through premiums. My family is living proof that private medical insurance works. I know that they are currently out over $100K for us, although I have never tracked the exact dollar figure.
Your thoughts that this will not lead to single payer are naive at best When the government starts undercutting its “competition” by offering lower rates (taxing us to subsidize this), private businesses will take the cost cut and dump their private insurance and put them in the plan. It is not what Obama is saying when he claims that people will have a choice in this matter. No, their employers will, and they will dump them. This is why Democrats in the House and Senate are so happy to go along with this… they see it as the first stop towards single-payer.
Rush, et al are just thinking ahead. This is where this is going. I read in the history books that FDR claimed the Social Security would never be more than 1% in taxes, and now look at it. Similar claims about medicare. We believed them then… and people are tired of being led off a cliff.
Let’s separate the Obama plan from rescission. We can reform rescission, even portability. However, in the frenzied shout out of talk radio, conservatives have paralyzed themselves into complete inaction. It’s become stop Obama and nothing else.
Insurance Companies…
Insurance companies models are never designed to cover their outgo expenses through any one single premium. They are based on risk models that say, basically, their outgo will be somewhere around 50% of their income.
So for every one person that may cost $100,000 there are 20 or so subscribers each paying $12,000/yr.
If you have minor surgery today, the bills are likely to be over $20,000. $100,000 is considered a moderate expense.
What if you needed $500,000? I know someone who was denied because the cost of their care was going to be $60,000.
Insurance companies rescind care at a significant rates by their own admission. To return a favor, you are naive if you believe otherwise.
Obama…
You will notice that insurance companies aren’t worried about the government’s plan. They read the bill and so should you.
Do you believe that only Rush read it and is the only one thinking ahead? Hardly.
I don’t doubt that a government plan will be cheaper. I doubt that it will cover as much as insurance companies will offer. A good partnership would be to define a limit to the coverage by government coverage. This would create a basic plan that is essentially catastrophic insurance, and let individuals and/or companies purchase additional features.
That is the model used today for Medicare and Medicaid.
A quick 2 cents …
I object to it because I don’t believe we can afford another government entitlement and I don’t think we need it. If rescission or other coverage issues are the problem, offer a bill that reforms the laws. If coverage is the problem, mandate it and provide tax breaks for low income families so they can afford to buy coverage. This flood of extra customers would more than offset any loss to insurers by rescission reform. If expenses are a problem, allow medical records to be electronic and portable using a reform to Medicare as a model.
Medicare is 1/4 of the Federal budget and horribly in debt. My father swears by Medicare coverage and I believe it to be effective at this level based upon his testimony. That’s all well and good except that it is horribly expensive to the budget and to tax payers and unsustainable in the future. It’s also a model of inefficiency with paperwork and bureaucracy that causes fits for doctors. I know this for a fact because someone close to me worked at a doctors office primarily for handling the extra, largely unnecessary work it caused. Medicare also employs unfair price controls mandating 80 cents on the dollar payment that gets pushed on as extra costs to private insurance.
In summary, Medicare provides decent coverage but at an exorbitant expense to taxpayers. With this and Medicaid, the most needy in our society are covered by the government. Private insurance covers the rest effectively. The argument is over the very small percentage of ones who fall through the cracks for one reason or another. The focus should be here, not at turning a largely effective and wildly successful system inside-out.
Bottom line: I would like Washington to show me some alternatives that don’t include a budget-busting entitlement. So far we only have a government insurance option (HR 3200) or government takeover (HR 676) to chose from. This is not acceptable to me with so much at stake.
I am fine with the approach that addresses specific issues with health care. But the R representatives that you admire have failed to do anything in congress – no reform and no suggestions.
By going on fanatically about “killing grandma” — complete lies says ARPA — Rs are doing nothing.
And doing nothing is not fine by me.
typo, “complete lies says AARP”
What R’s do I admire? … besides Romney, that is.
Not many R’s to admire.
Well, Viking… you have spoken very highly of Ted Stevens, Denny Hastert, and Mark Sanford. You absolutely adore Arnold, the Maine Sisters, and Arlen Specter… at least until his party shift, which now you hate his guts. You have said the Palin is savvy, Ensign is moral, and that Charlie Crist was fair to Romney. You could not stop singing the praises of McCain, when you are not bowing at the alter of Rush.
By the way, on a separate note, did you get your fax from GOP headquarters telling you what to say on the blog today? I have mine, and will make sure that I post only glowing praise for my facist brothers-in-arms.
Long live the ruleless mob!
Here, here. The Mob Rules!
I didn’t get my marching orders yet, but I’m not going to post the party line until I get my participation check from the vast right wing cabal. Maybe I need to join the SEIU to get things rolling.
You gents kiss buckus to all of them and you know it
Wow, haven’t heard gents and butkus (or buckus) in the same sentence before.
Butkus was a loser Chicago Bear … I don’t kiss frogs.
It was tough watching Butkis knock all those wimpy Vikings down in the 1960’s before the rise of the Purple People Eaters.
I only take my marching orders from Ditka.
You’re nothing if you don’t have the blue Cowboys star on your Jersey.
Which is to throw temper tantrums and gum at the crowd, and dress down your team on national TV. Or maybe it will be getting a big, fat DT to blog for you from time to time. “When I kick and pass (and blog), we’ll have more fun …” I know you are no dumb cookie.
Sen Isakson (R-GA) debunks Palin’s and Rush’s “death panels” which you gents believed was the truth and thinking ahead.
“Sarah Palin is not alone in spreading misinformation about the House health care reform bill to deceive the public. Republican House Minority Leader, Rep. Boehner, Rep. Eric Cantor, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glen Beck, Newt Gingrich and many others have sought to spread the false meme that health care reform would kill the elderly. Rep. Boehner said, the health care reform bill “may start us down a treacherous path toward government-encouraged euthanasia.”
As I have said before, Obamacare deathers are in the same boat with birthers.
http://chattahbox.com/us/2009/08/11/gop-sen-isakson-palins-death-panel-tale-is-nuts-mixed-up/
I have to give high marks to Republican Sen Isakson for laying out the facts.
The section of the bill referred to in the link is paragraph 1233. The bill is linked in the article above. It is titled “Advance Care Planning Consultation.” It provides for legal counsel on living wills.
Everyone has living wills, or should have. They apply to care for someone who is at a vegetative state. It doesn’t apply to anyone who has their faculties and make decisions about their care.
Yet deathers, birthers cousins, want to create chaos because they can’t find anything else in the bill.
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