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		<title>By: Pelosi on Embryonic Stem Cell Research: “We need science, science, science, science, science!” &#124; The Great Illuminator</title>
		<link>http://www.thegreatilluminator.com/blog/?p=2668&#038;cpage=1#comment-1408</link>
		<dc:creator>Pelosi on Embryonic Stem Cell Research: “We need science, science, science, science, science!” &#124; The Great Illuminator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] biomedical research, what’s the big deal? The benefits to humanity could be huge! All we need is science and all will be solved for the greater good. Sounds like Scientism not [...]</description>
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		<title>By: So&#8230; What is Funny? How About Olby! &#124; The Great Illuminator</title>
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		<dc:creator>So&#8230; What is Funny? How About Olby! &#124; The Great Illuminator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 00:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] parody about the McCain campaign. I love the Onion&#8217;s video site&#8230; which I have even used before as a feature on this site. The second is also funny&#8230; a Will Ferrell impersonation of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Windy City Windbag</title>
		<link>http://www.thegreatilluminator.com/blog/?p=2668&#038;cpage=1#comment-656</link>
		<dc:creator>The Windy City Windbag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good morning Proud... 

When I referred to morals, I was referring to the morals of scientists.  Their job is to ask &quot;can it be done&quot; and do not ask &quot;should it be done&quot;.  I believe that those scientists do not have any higher moral authority to make decisions than any one else, and might have an incentive to proceed down the slipperly slope more than a non-scientists.  It was not to disparage housewives or dishwashers... but to the contrary say that they likely would have something to say about this as well.  President Obama said that we need to put the decisions back in the hands of scientists (&quot;leave science to scientists&quot;), but I think that is the wrong place to put it. 

Sometimes I wish I was one of those pompous asses making 250K.  I am not even close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good morning Proud&#8230; </p>
<p>When I referred to morals, I was referring to the morals of scientists.  Their job is to ask &#8220;can it be done&#8221; and do not ask &#8220;should it be done&#8221;.  I believe that those scientists do not have any higher moral authority to make decisions than any one else, and might have an incentive to proceed down the slipperly slope more than a non-scientists.  It was not to disparage housewives or dishwashers&#8230; but to the contrary say that they likely would have something to say about this as well.  President Obama said that we need to put the decisions back in the hands of scientists (&#8220;leave science to scientists&#8221;), but I think that is the wrong place to put it. </p>
<p>Sometimes I wish I was one of those pompous asses making 250K.  I am not even close.</p>
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		<title>By: still proud</title>
		<link>http://www.thegreatilluminator.com/blog/?p=2668&#038;cpage=1#comment-647</link>
		<dc:creator>still proud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 03:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read and I learn. I still find it hard to believe that anyone would do what the Ukraine are accused of. Moral leaders? Are you referring to our politicians morals? Or did you mean the likes of Jim Baker? Housewives and dishwashers have no morals, or are they incapable of voting morally? Perhaps they shouldn&#039;t be allowed to vote at all. Only pompous asses with degrees and making 250,000 minimum annually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read and I learn. I still find it hard to believe that anyone would do what the Ukraine are accused of. Moral leaders? Are you referring to our politicians morals? Or did you mean the likes of Jim Baker? Housewives and dishwashers have no morals, or are they incapable of voting morally? Perhaps they shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to vote at all. Only pompous asses with degrees and making 250,000 minimum annually.</p>
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		<title>By: The Windy City Windbag</title>
		<link>http://www.thegreatilluminator.com/blog/?p=2668&#038;cpage=1#comment-645</link>
		<dc:creator>The Windy City Windbag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 02:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Proud, I would say first that our founding fathers did NOT believe in a separation of church and state... they believed that there should be no establishment of an official Christian denomination.  The courts in the 1950&#039;s &quot;interpreted&quot; the Constitution by bringing in a letter written by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802 to answer a letter from them written in October 1801. As stated on http://www.usconstitution.net/jeffwall.html:



&lt;blockquote&gt;The Danbury Baptists were a religious minority in Connecticut, and they complained that in their state, the religious liberties they enjoyed were not seen as immutable rights, but as privileges granted by the legislature - as &quot;favors granted.&quot; Jefferson&#039;s reply did not address their concerns about problems with state establishment of religion - only of establishment on the national level. The letter contains the phrase &quot;wall of separation between church and state,&quot; which led to the short-hand for the Establishment Clause that we use today: &quot;Separation of church and state.&quot;

The letter was the subject of intense scrutiny by Jefferson, and he consulted a couple of New England politicians to assure that his words would not offend while still conveying his message: it was not the place of the Congress or the Executive to do anything that might be misconstrued as the establishment of religion.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The Founding Fathers did not see a society without God, but to the contrary... they did not want an official religion where the Executive stood as the Head of State and Head of the Church.  Religious freedom was a bedrock.  

We do not let murder victims decide the fate of murderers, so we should not let those suffering from a terrible disease what the most moral answer is.  If one&#039;s child were in danger, a person would risk the lives of many others to save that child.  Same with scientists.  The scientist will tell you what is possible and say that it must be explored.  They are no more qualified to determine the moral values around an issue than a member of a politician, a housewife, or a dishwasher.  We defer our great moral questions not to the scientists, but to our moral leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proud, I would say first that our founding fathers did NOT believe in a separation of church and state&#8230; they believed that there should be no establishment of an official Christian denomination.  The courts in the 1950&#8217;s &#8220;interpreted&#8221; the Constitution by bringing in a letter written by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802 to answer a letter from them written in October 1801. As stated on <a href="http://www.usconstitution.net/jeffwall.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.usconstitution.net/jeffwall.html</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Danbury Baptists were a religious minority in Connecticut, and they complained that in their state, the religious liberties they enjoyed were not seen as immutable rights, but as privileges granted by the legislature &#8211; as &#8220;favors granted.&#8221; Jefferson&#8217;s reply did not address their concerns about problems with state establishment of religion &#8211; only of establishment on the national level. The letter contains the phrase &#8220;wall of separation between church and state,&#8221; which led to the short-hand for the Establishment Clause that we use today: &#8220;Separation of church and state.&#8221;</p>
<p>The letter was the subject of intense scrutiny by Jefferson, and he consulted a couple of New England politicians to assure that his words would not offend while still conveying his message: it was not the place of the Congress or the Executive to do anything that might be misconstrued as the establishment of religion.</p></blockquote>
<p>The Founding Fathers did not see a society without God, but to the contrary&#8230; they did not want an official religion where the Executive stood as the Head of State and Head of the Church.  Religious freedom was a bedrock.  </p>
<p>We do not let murder victims decide the fate of murderers, so we should not let those suffering from a terrible disease what the most moral answer is.  If one&#8217;s child were in danger, a person would risk the lives of many others to save that child.  Same with scientists.  The scientist will tell you what is possible and say that it must be explored.  They are no more qualified to determine the moral values around an issue than a member of a politician, a housewife, or a dishwasher.  We defer our great moral questions not to the scientists, but to our moral leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: NC Viking</title>
		<link>http://www.thegreatilluminator.com/blog/?p=2668&#038;cpage=1#comment-642</link>
		<dc:creator>NC Viking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 01:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So far, only in &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6171083.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ukraine&lt;/a&gt;. Very &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thegreatilluminator.com/blog/?p=2251&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;slippery&lt;/a&gt; slope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So far, only in <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6171083.stm" rel="nofollow">Ukraine</a>. Very <a href="http://www.thegreatilluminator.com/blog/?p=2251" rel="nofollow">slippery</a> slope.</p>
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		<title>By: still proud</title>
		<link>http://www.thegreatilluminator.com/blog/?p=2668&#038;cpage=1#comment-630</link>
		<dc:creator>still proud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our founding fathers thought ahead to include a separation of church and state. Why? Then they included &quot;In God we trust&quot; on our money. Why?
who said power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely ? Were they a poor lot that wrote our constitution, or a bunch of business owners who  subsequently became &quot;we the people&quot;? We all see who government protects.Let alzheimers patients decide on stem cell research. No one is suggesting cutting up babies (or kittens) are they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our founding fathers thought ahead to include a separation of church and state. Why? Then they included &#8220;In God we trust&#8221; on our money. Why?<br />
who said power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely ? Were they a poor lot that wrote our constitution, or a bunch of business owners who  subsequently became &#8220;we the people&#8221;? We all see who government protects.Let alzheimers patients decide on stem cell research. No one is suggesting cutting up babies (or kittens) are they?</p>
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		<title>By: Introducing Hourly Tracking and more for your TV Campaigns &#124; Hobby Cash: Make Cash Blogging About the Things You Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>Introducing Hourly Tracking and more for your TV Campaigns &#124; Hobby Cash: Make Cash Blogging About the Things You Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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